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Revision: 1.85, Sun Jan 22 00:40:21 2006 UTC (31 hours, 37 minutes ago) by midom

[spremeni] links

  1. template:Wikivar T
  2. template:Wikivar/GRAMMAR
  3. w:en:List of grammatical cases
  4. b:user:Gangleri/tests/bugzilla
    1. bugzilla:04685 – "LanguageSl.php hardcodes project namespace as Wikipedija"
  5. CVS: languages/
    1. LanguageCs.php, markup
    2. LanguageFi.php, markup
    3. LanguageGa.php, markup
    4. LanguageRu.php, markup
    5. LanguageSk.php, markup
    6. LanguageSl.php, markup
  6. w:en:IRC: #mediawiki, #wiktionary
  7. meta:Help:Magic words#GRAMMAR:
    1. meta:special:Search/GRAMMAR
      notes:
      result depends on the search namespaces activated at meta:special:Preferences
      search={{grammar: does not provide the pages including "{{grammar:"
  1. w:en:Slovenian language
  2. w:sl:Slovinčina
    1. w:sl:Kategória:Slovenčina, w:sl:Kategória:Slovanské jazyky
  3. special:Allmessages: b:, n:, q:, s:, wikt:, w:

[spremeni] to-do

  • include / add all names of the sister projects: b:, n:, q:, s:, wikt:, w: – done
  • identify what values are used for what grammatical cases
  • ...

[spremeni] please work here (old)

reference: oldid=3813 (code from LanguageCs.php)

		# Grammatical transformations, needed for inflected languages
		# Invoked by putting {{grammar:case|word}} in a message
		# function convertGrammar( $word, $case ) {
			# allowed values for $case:
			#	1sg, 2sg, ..., 7sg -- nominative, genitive, ... (in singular)
			# switch ( $word ) {
				# case 'Wikipedia':
				# case 'Wikipedija':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikipediji';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikipedijo';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikipedijo'; # example: "s Wikipedijo"
				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikipediji'; # example: "o Wikipediji"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikipedija';
				#	}

				# case 'Wikibooks':
				# case 'Wikiknjige':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikiknjigam';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikiknjige';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikiknjigami'; # example: "s Wikiknjigami"

				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikiknjigah'; # example: "o Wikiknjigah"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikiknjige';
				#	}

				# case 'Wikinews':
				# case 'Wikinovice':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikinovicam';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikinovice';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikinovicami'; # example: "s Wikinovicami"
				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikinovicah'; # example: "o Wikinovicah"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikinovice';
				#	}

				# case 'Wikiquote':
				# case 'Wikinavedek':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikinavedku';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikinavedek';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikinavedkom'; # example: "s Wikinavedkom"
				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikinavedku'; # example: "o Wikinavedku"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikinavedek';
				#	}

				# case 'Wikisource':
				# case 'Wikivir':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikiviru';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikivir';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikivirom'; # example: "s Wikivirom"
				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikiviru'; # example: "o Wikiviru"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikivir';
				#	}

				# case 'Wiktionary':
				# case 'Wikislovar':
				#	switch ( $case ) {
				#		case '3sg':
				#			return 'Wikislovarju';
				#		case '4sg':
				#			return 'Wikislovar';
				#		case '6sg':
				#			return 'Wikislovarjem'; # example: "s Wikislovarjem"
				#		case '7sg':
				#			return 'Wikislovarju'; # example: "o Wikislovarju"
				#		default:
				#			return 'Wikislovar';
				#	}

			#}
			# # unknown
			# return $word;
		# }
# <!-- ??? to developers: should a final "}" be here? -->
  • Klemen now you can continue here. Namespaces will be handeled extra.
See you later! Gangleri 13:48, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

BTW. You missed 5sg in script. Is there any reason for this or just a mistake? Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 14:15, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Klemen! I take a look. I do this for the first time but I will need to do it in other languages as well.
your question about missing cases: It might be that the Czech language does not have "5sg".
Well, Slovene has 1-6. If there aren't any script problems, this should be fixed. Don't worry, this is my first time also. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 15:59, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
Please note: All text must be included in "'" characters.
Please do not add variants after "switch ( $case ) {"
I removed: Wikipedije, Wikiknjig, Wikinovic, Wikinavedka, Wikivira, Wikislovarja
I can see that you have included prepositions. I assume that prepositions should not be included in GRAMMAR.
Propositions are part of the word and must be included. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 15:59, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
Have you find out the codings for the grammatical cases?
No, and I don't know where to look and have to do it. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 15:59, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know if some of the variants are using a definite article. Please post the answer
The only thing that I know is {{ns:5}} = {{ns:Project_talk}}. There is Pogovor + 7sg (so -> Pogovor o Wikinavedku). Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 15:59, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
Unless there is no "confirm" from you I will not post anything about activation at bugzilla:4685 – "LanguageSl.php hardcodes project namespace as Wikipedija".
When you confirmed and no "???" are left I will remove the comment marks ("#" as first printable characters in lines) myself and update bugzilla:4685.
Thanks and best regards Gangleri 15:44, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
I've checked the grammar with others and now it's alright. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 15:59, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

[spremeni] please work here (new)

LanguageSk.php used an easier implementation. Please list below all grammatical cases that you know in Slovenian language, at least those which are used in special:Allmessages in the order you use them in your literure. w:en:Icelandic language is using the order nominativ, accusative, dativ, genitiv ;-).
Use first character either lower or upper case and all special characters you need.

(in alphabetical order; please change to usual order)

  1.  ???accusative; English: Accusative case; used together with ...
  2.  ???genitive ; English: Genitive case ; used together with ...
  3.  ???instrumental ; English: Instrumental ; used together with ...
  4.  ???locative ; English: Locative case ; used together with ...
  5.  ???nominativ ; English: Nominative case ; used without prepositions
  6.  ???nominativ ; English: Nominative case ; used together with ...



  1. Imenovalnik -> nominative
  2. Rodilnik -> genitive
  3. Dajalnik -> dativ
  4. Tožilnik -> accusative
  5. Mestnik -> locative
  6. Orodnik -> instrumental

[spremeni] alternative code

reference: oldid=3857 (code from LanguageSk.php)


	# Convert from the nominative form of a noun to some other case
	# Invoked with {{GRAMMAR:case|word}}
	function convertGrammar( $word, $case ) {
			case 'rodilnik': # genitive
				if ( $word == 'Wikipedija' ) {
					$word = 'Wikipedije';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikiknjige' ) {
					$word = 'Wikiknjig';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinovice' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinovic';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinavedek' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinavedka';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikivir' ) {
					$word = 'Wikivira';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikislovar' ) {
					$word = 'Wikislovarja';
				}
			break;
			case 'dajalnik': # dativ
				if ( $word == 'Wikipedija' ) {
					$word = 'Wikipediji';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikiknjige' ) {
					$word = 'Wikiknjigam';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinovice' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinovicam';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinavedek' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinavedku';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikivir' ) {
					$word = 'Wikiviru';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikislovar' ) {
					$word = 'Wikislovarju';
			break;
			case 'tožilnik': # akuzatív
				if ( $word == 'Wikipedija' ) {
					$word = 'Wikipedijo';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikiknjige' ) {
					$word = 'Wikiknjige';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinovice' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinovice';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinavedek' ) {
					$word = 'Wikinavedek';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikivir' ) {
					$word = 'Wikivir';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikislovar' ) {
					$word = 'Wikislovar';
			break;
			case 'mestnik': # locative
				if ( $word == 'Wikipedija' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikipedijo';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikiknjige' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikiknjigami';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinovice' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikinovicami';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinavedek' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikinavedkom';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikivir' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikivirom';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikislovar' ) {
					$word = 'z Wikislovarjem';
			break;
			case 'orodnik': # instrumental
				if ( $word == 'Wikipedija' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikipediji';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikiknjige' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikiknjigah';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinovice' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikinovicah';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikinavedek' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikinavedku';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikivir' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikiviru';
				} elseif ( $word == 'Wikislovar' ) {
					$word = 'o Wikislovarju';
			break;
		}
	return $word; # this will return the original value for 'imenovalnik' (nominativ) and all undefined case values
	}

[spremeni] wait / go ahead

  • Please wait! Gangleri 17:25, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
  • Please go ahead! Gangleri 17:32, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
  • OK for me!
Klemen: I see two times accusative: one "imenovalnik" and another "tožilnik". Please confirm and make additional changes if necessary! Please confirm if OK for you. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 19:34, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)


I corrected the mistake. I hope that now is OK. The most problematic cases are mestnik in orodnik - because the propasitions must be part of them. If that will appear so, I think that it's OK. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 19:41, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

[spremeni] What's next?

  • Contancting w:fi:user:Nikerabbit and implementing the change. Hope it will work from the beginning. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 21:13, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)


  • As soon as these changes are live all MediaWiki messages need to be changed.
Hardcoded SITENAME's and localized project names should be changed. Examples:
  1. w:sl:MediaWiki:Aboutpage T please compare with
    w:fi:MediaWiki:Aboutpage T
  2. w:sl:MediaWiki:Aboutsite T please compare with
    w:fi:MediaWiki:Aboutsite T
  3. w:sl:MediaWiki:Anonymous T please compare with
    w:fi:MediaWiki:Anonymous T
  4. ...
See also:
  1. bugzilla:02475 – "LanguageXx.php should not use localized namespaces in link translations it should use only generic namespaces"
  2. bugzilla:04361 – "Do not refer to nonexisting pages in LanguageXx.php"
  • Please let me know where (at what project) you want to make the corrections. Then the MessagesSl.php should be changed and all other projects will be automatically updated.
  • Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 21:13, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

One notice: on w:sl:MediaWiki talk:Aboutpage the first {{msgnw:MediaWiki:{{PAGENAME}}}} is correct, the other two aren't (not slovene version). Is that intented to me so? Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Hitri odgovor) 21:25, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)

Postes identical notes at w:sl:MediaWiki talk:Aboutpage, w:sl:MediaWiki talk:Aboutsite, w:sl:MediaWiki talk:Anonymous. Please verify again if bugzilla:04685 – "LanguageSl.php hardcodes project namespace as Wikipedija" is fixed. Regards Gangleri | Th | T 22:44, 23 januar 2006 (UTC)
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